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Zaungast

Very certain about "celebrated" in question 2.
Well, you know, in a somewhat cynical way of "celebration".
I don't in general believe that my fellow-countrypeople take consistent stances; but here there is a lot of indicators for that:
German and European plans, and even measures in effect, and even laws that not only allow, but enforce such measures (!), are very unpopular. See, for instance, Vorratsdatenspeicherung.


However, I do see that people are against spying, but they are not even ready to take minimal precautions themselves.
Security and privacy is underrated. This is somewhat understandable: Unless you write against the government in a authoritarian country or so, you will hardly ever see the negative effects clearly and unambiguously linked to spying.
This is a big problem: Governments ever more invasive into citizens' and foreigners' privacy, but looking as friendly as ever.

My impression is that the Germans' attitude towards internet spying is similar to that to high-level corruption:
They find it disgraceful, the bad people on top do it, but they don't really care so much as they don't feel personally concerned.

Now it's a good thing that most people can afford not to feel like victims of corruption, and it says something about how much corruption is limited. However, as for internet spying, it's all an illusion. You ARE concerned.

renke

Angela Merkel in 2008, commenting her view on internet surveillance: "Wir werden nicht zulassen, dass technisch manches möglich ist, aber der Staat es nicht nutzt."

Hans-Peter Friedrich's (interior minister) statements about PRISM and Tempora can be outlined as 'Wet dreams come true.'

Stephan

Theses are exactly the two questions I keep raising for quite a while (since the Assange story):
where are German whistleblowers and (more grave) to whom are they supposed to turn to if there ever were any? To the "Spiegel" etwa?

M

we belive our spy agencies are too stupid to do proper surveillance, hence the NSU desaster, or 0zapftis, the tool german police ordered.
also they seem having trouble finding qualified techs.

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