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Ralph

Recommend to you heartily this book by Paul Fussell: "Doing Battle: The Making of a Skeptic." Captivating account of actual combat and a provocative dismantling of some myths of alleged heroism and self-sacrifice.

I never realized that I as an American expatriate would have to concern myself with WWII and its aftermath. Now that I know (and still getting to know) Germans much better after many years here, I see how naive I was in not grasping the extent of German WWII traumatization and its continuing effects.

Josh@_[°|°]_

What else is there to say as: »War is hell«?

-- (wise guy/ hero) Gus Hasford --

John Carter Wood

Fascinating post: I currently happen to be reading Richard Overy's fascinating Why the Allies Won, which is less comprehensive than Weinberg sounds (haven't read him) but nicely analytical on a series of specific issues and turning points.

On Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the perspective offered in Thank God for the Atom Bomb, by the late and much lamented Paul Fussell, is worth reading.

I liked Band of Brothers much more than I thought I would after the overwrought Saving Private Ryan; you've convinced me to get The Pacific.

Andrew

@Claus Hoffman: I'm not sure what you're complaining about here: 'unceremoniously kicked out' certainly doesn't suggest that the action was humane, orderly, or legal. In fact, it suggests the opposite. You're right, of course, that the 'expellees' were certainly not all pioneers sent by the Third Reich, and many of them had quite legitimate claims to live where they had been. Many were simply victims of massive historical forces. But there's no way to understand their fate without also taking into account the murderous hatred unleashed by the unspeakable brutality of German (and, of course, Soviet) occupation. I suggest 'Bloodlands' by Timothy Snyder for more.

As for the atomic bombings, I learned, I suspect like most American schoolchildren, both the justifications for and the critique of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I have no idea where you get the idea that the acts were 'legal' -- they were no more legal or illegal than the carpet-bombings of Dresden or Hamburg or the incendiary bombing of Tokyo. By the time they occurred, all of the combatants had violated the laws of war a thousands times over. But that's hardly a moral equivalence -- see the conduct of the Japanese Empire in the blood-drenched 'Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere'.

@RSP: The book looks fascinating, thanks for the tip.

Robert S. Porter

To go along with Mr. Hoffmann's comment, I'd recommend R. M. Douglas' Orderly and Humane: The Expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War.

Claus Hoffmann

When you write that Germans were "kicked out of the occupied" east your language is quite condescending. For a lawyer very sad.

It was a human tragedy even if those who were expelled were only Nazi children and Nazi workers and Nazi old people (young men were not expelled as they were all soldiers).

And besides - the sentence is not clear: The east was not occupied by the Germans who were expelled but old German provinces were occupied by the Allies (to make things clear). After the war they became Polish.


The justification of the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima is something that very likely every American has to learn.
It is still today for some strange reason important for America to defend these acts as legal. The only justification is of course the most barbaric: The aims justify the means. If you want to win a war you are allowed to do everything...
No difference between combattants and Non-combattants. Brutal.
If we see these raids as legal then they are the greatest military victories of the US: Japan 200000 deaths. US 0 deaths.
Congratulations!
(Sorry for spelling mistakes).

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