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Marcellina

In the end people believe what they want to believe, not what is believable.

Eben.

noribori

@Marcellina: But shouldn't you take into account the acceleration of everything? Aren't 1000 years from a long time ago just about the same as 100 years now?

100 years ago Germany was still ruled by a caste of riding "warriors" who presented themselves with bushy helmets and sparkling swords. The next 50 years brought more change than the 1000 years before. Remembering the last Emperor of Germany is like remembering the middle ages.

And maybe that's the reason why people find stories of a garden eden in Missouri and a angel Moroni appealing. It's a world without change, completely out of time. In a world which is changing faster and faster that's something outstanding. In the end people believe what they want to believe, not what is believable.

Marcellina

@Noribori, I was giving them the 2-thousand-year advantage we have on them with the Jesus story. Can't really say what will be believed by then, but things that are said to have happened back in the dreamy distant past tend to be more believable to humans than if they happened two hundred years ago. Angel appears to Mary = sure. Angel appears to Joseph Smith = no way. My point is that the first is no more believable and yet our culture has more of a problem with the second.

We saw "The Book Of Mormon" in New York last month, and it was awesome. And covered just these points in a vague way — that religion is stories invented to make people feel better about their existence, and therefor has a place in human history.

James rytting

Mormons have had their hands on the levers of power before without buggering the polity with joe smiths lunatic theology; take Marriner Eccles, appointed chief of the federal reserve by FDR, who anticipated Keynes, as in this resonant analysis. (See Wikipedia, which gives the source.).

" As mass production has to be accompanied by mass consumption, mass consumption, in turn, implies a distribution of wealth ... to provide men with buying power. ... Instead of achieving that kind of distribution, a giant suction pump had by 1929-30 drawn into a few hands an increasing portion of currently produced wealth. ... The other fellows could stay in the game only by borrowing. When their credit ran out, the game stopped."

Like Obama, Romney will wear the mask, and for the most part act accordingly, no matter what one hopes or fears is underneath.

John Carter Wood

You mean, if only I had more of a penchant for wearing black trousers with a white shirt and tie and had avoided being such a whoremonger the celestial kingdom would be mine?!! Alas!

noribori

@Marcellina: A couple thousand years? That's optimistic. I'm afraid it could be only a matter of a few decades.

Marcellina

I look at it this way: it might seem ridiculous to us to believe that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri, but it is any more believable to put it somewhere between the Tigris and the Euphrates, as "serious religious scholars" do? Or Noah's Ark at the top of Mount Ararat? It's all pretty much the same, only the Mormons' stories seem more silly to us because they are so new. Give them a couple thousand years and it'll be totally mainstream.
By that time, the Garden of Eden will be "known" to have been in Missouri, and no one will be so dumb as to believe that men once walked on the Moon.

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