« Poem of the Day: 'Caryatid' by Gottfried Benn | Main | Stephen Walt on Pro-War Propaganda in the United States »

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d834516a2569e2016767b4b39a970b

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The Superiority of German Justice to U.S. Justice:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Deep Thought

Excellent points made here. I want to add just one point:

There is one thing in the US justice system that I (as a German) am really jealous of: The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine.

It is astounding what prosecutors can get away with in Germany. The police may search your flat illegally, but if they find something incriminating like a pirated DVD or whatever, that retro-justifies their illegal actions. It's called "zufallsfunde" (chance findings) and it is horrible. A US judge would not even bother to laugh at the prosecution for stuff like that.

Michael Elsdörfer

This (hard to navigate) document lists the number of Judges in Germany at 20.000 as well, but the claims there are 30.000 judges in the US:

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/crime/eighthsurvey/8sv.pdf (page 137).

Till

I generally agree with (and, as a German attorney, feel quite happy about) Maxeiner's and your opinions. I disagree, though, about the role of the discovery process.
Yes, the discovery process may serve as an investigative tool. But that is not its purpose, and using discovery to generally investigate a company is - in my opinion - an abuse of a legal tool that is meant for a different purpose. German law provides for investigative tools, if you can prove a valid interest in obtaining the information. In particular, you can request information as a shareholder of a company; or, if you have a convincing argument ("substantiierte Darlegung"), perhaps even backed by certain proof, that the defendent has breached its obligations, the burden of argument and - potentially - proof is reversed, so that the defendant must convince the court of and potentially prove its innocence. I find this somewhat more differentiated than the US system, more of a scalpel than a broadsword, if you will, and assume that the German system gives a reasonable benefit for far less costs than the US system.

Let me hasten to add that the US system does have advantages.
First, judges are generally far more professional. By electing attorneys with much experience, you ensure that judges understand the parties' interests better and make more sensible decisions than Germany's fresh-off-university judges. Also, some - but by no means a majority of - German judges tend to adopt a civil servant mentality and consequently lack the work ethic that US judges have.
I would also like to add that Germany has a much higher number of judges. As far as google tells me, Germany has around 20.000 judges in total, while the US - with four times the population - has only 10.000.
Second, language. German court procedure and decisions tend to be comprehensive, but technical (what with Germans being engineers at heart). US decisions, in my admittedly limited experience, tend to be more understandable and convincing, which may improve their acceptance. I would be willing to wager that US judges are much less criticized than German judges.

Finally, let me take the opportunity to thank you for your thoroughly enjoyable blog, and hope for more articles and discussion like this.

The comments to this entry are closed.

www.flickr.com
Andrew Hammel's items Go to Andrew Hammel's photostream
My Photo

Search German Joys

  • Google

    andrewhammel.typepad.com