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Cuneiform

@Cuneiform: So, then what about devout Orthodox Jewish men wearing a yarmulke? Not an option for them either.
I'd say anything which is worn in a self-determined way is okay. Now I can not look into peoples mind of course, but I can see very clearly that the belief in Islam is concentrated to a very high degree in some geographic regions of the world only. This fact is incompatible with the hypthesis that most people choose their religion freely. Ancient tradition explains it much better.

Note that the Jewish world population is spread more evenly all over the globe.

Whether muslim women *need* to wear a scarf is debatable, that is why I wrote "if" in my former comment.

I am not advocating against Islam exclusively by the way. I am also very strictly against hanging crosses in school classrooms (like in Bavaria), or against the christian churches teaching religion in public school directly (in constrast to school employed religion teachers).

Lastly, I must also retract/clarify my former statement in part: When I wrote "to disallow", I did not want to advocate a legal ban against religious symbols in private labour, I was rather saying that the employer should be allowed to choose.

Andrew

@Cuneiform: So, then what about devout Orthodox Jewish men wearing a yarmulke? Not an option for them either.

I've got a better idea: why not just adopt a rule saying that if you're doing your job well and you're not disrupting the workplace with your religious clothing or beliefs, you have nothing to worry about?

Cuneifrom

As far as I know, it's not up to a devout muslim woman to decide whether she's wearing a hijab or not.
If that were true, this would be a good reason to disallow wearing the scarf at the workplace.

Stephan

@hans:
To me your judgement about the personal freedoms to wear what you want, is a typical way of thinking among societies that haven't bothered thinking much about discrimination, yet — as I see most European nations. And yes, I am a German myself.

Your sentence "you cannot change your gender easily" implies, that if you could, you wouldn't or shouldn't refrain from changing it — as you could (or should) decide upon wearing a scarf or not.

As far as I know, it's not up to a devout muslim woman to decide whether she's wearing a hijab or not. And it shouldn't be up to anyone else to decide that either. Do you agree?

Michael

There seems to be a widespread misunderstanding regarding article 14 of the European Convention on Human Rights: "Only" discrimination regarding the human rights are prohibited - not the discrimination in everyday activity (jobs, housing, ...).

A hint is the word "language" in Article 14: it would make absolutely no sense, if an employer can't discriminate against language.

hans

There is a huge difference between wearing a scarf for religious or whatever reasons and having a certain skin color, gender or disability. You cannot change your gender easiliy. But you certainly can decide upon wearing a scarf or not

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