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jgrytting

German frugality, as an explanation for the difference in economic conditions between it and other Euro countries, is a canard of grand proportions, as is the idea that American (and other countries') households -- those making less than twice the median income, that is -- are profligate.

As is well known, Germany did not have a housing bubble; it also has independent, enormously powerful financial institutions, which are nearly as dominant on the Continent as its basic industries. They also fueled housing bubbles in other countries. Here's some figures for changes in EU housing prices. Germany's figures are in the second column: a flat line.

Residential property prices for EU countries, New and existing houses and flats

1996 4.5 –1.1 – 9.9 1.4 2.4 –
1997 3.6 –1.9 – 8.2 2.8 3.4 0.1
1998 6.7 –1.6 22.6 14.4 5.8 –1.4 1.9
1999 7.8 1.4 22.5 8.9 7.7 0.8 7.1
2000 7.1 0.2 20.5 10.6 8.6 3.9 8.8
2001 6.2 0.2 14.0 14.4 9.9 6.0 7.9
2002 7.8 –1.9 6.1 13.9 15.7 12.6 8.3
2003 7.1 –1.2 14.3 5.4 17.6 7.2 11.7
2004 12.0 –1.4 11.5 2.3 17.4 7.0 15.2
2005 16.7 –1.5 7.2 10.9 13.9 8.6 15.3
2006 11.1 0.3 13.4 12.2 10.4 5.8 12.1
2007 9.2 0.3 0.9 . 5.8 5.0 6.6

No I would venture that this does NOT have to do with personal virtues of frugality, but with domestic housing policy, which, like the US used to, apparently requires down payments and restrains so called securitization of home loans. (And because the US does not guarantee health or retirement, buying a house was not considered an extravagance but propagandized as the best, most secure investment; it's what you were supposed to retire in and on).

How enormous is German finance? Here's an interesting tidbit:

"PIMCO was the lead asset manager of the Fed's $738 billion program to bolster the commercial paper market by snapping up notes from corporations, providing them with short-term financing. PIMCO is a unit of Allianz SE, the German insurer, which bought the firm in 2000." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIMCO

Chris Speer

I love Germany, my Mom is German and I still have many relatives living there. Unfortunately their high living standard has caused them to rack up a lot of external debt which is causing a strain on their economy. Read this CNBC article which is eye opening. The US, for the first time in recent history, now owes more than our GDP; however Germany owes significantly more from a percentage and per capita basis. Here's the link:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/30308959/The_World_s_Biggest_Debtor_Nations

Roger

Eckeman: "What if the rest of Europe and the world were just as frugal?"
Than they would even more admire efficincy discount shops like Aldi and Lidl, selling cheap, but good and reliable proucts quite often made in Germany as well.
It is not just the making of expensive and luxury products like high class cars, its more beeing as efficient as possible in making good products for fair prices.

If there were no Globalization and we couldt not sell abroad anything, we also would not have to face chinese competition, what is the real challenge for all european and northern american societies - and the only reason Germany is shining actually is that it seem to be on a way answering that chinese challenge.
It wouldt be fine if other european and american countries will find a good answer as well.

Detlef

Eckeman,

"...aging cheapskates who vacation at campgrounds in 25 year old camper vans..." but still expect to spend about $3000 over three weeks (according to the article).
Equals Euro 2300 for 2 adults. Sounds comfortable, not cheap.
Especially since the pair (without kids in school) can easily vacation before or after the main holiday season.

And concerning "beggaring the neighbors" and "structural imbalances".
Part of it is true but only a part.
Where do we compete with Greece? In tourism for example Greece is competing with Turkey not Germany.
Italy has/had a thriving textile and shoe making industry. They compete with Asia here not Germany.
Before the Euro they could devalue and stay competitive. Now they have problems. Because of the Euro not because of Germany.

And I wonder about the "if Germans would spend more it´d wonders for the Eurozone" topic. It certainly would help a bit (that´s me partly agreeing).
But if you buy consumer electronics ... produced in Asia. Clothing, shoes ... mostly produced in Asia too. A longer, more exotic, more luxurious vacation ... partly benefiting Eurozone countries.
Just trying to say that even if we would spend more, quite a bit of it wouldn´t go to Eurozone countries.
A bit like our exports? Roughly 60% going to countries outside the Eurozone?

Eckeman

There is a deep paradox of all that thrift. Imagine if German industry had to rely on its own internal market of aging cheapskates who vacation at campgrounds in 25 year old camper vans whose idea of Christmastime splurging is a “breakfast tray, cutting board and sleeping gown.” German economic growth relies on foreigners buying all those new cars, machines and pharmaceuticals produced by Mr. and Mrs. Kruger, and in many cases these foreigners are going into debt and running trade deficits to do that. What if the rest of Europe and the world were just as frugal? Since Germans are so keen to see this all in moral terms, Germany’s economic model violates the Kantian categorical imperative because it beggars its neighbors. The structural imbalances this had caused within Europe are the main reason for the current Euro crisis.

miz


Isn't it amazing how those points that made Germany the sick man of Europe less than 10 years ago are now its strenths?

The strong welfare state was deemed the basic problem holding back the german economy. Health care was too generous and free higher education only encouraged long-time students frittering away their most productive years.

German public debt was too high, mainly due to spending for the welfare state (and reunification) and at the same time high taxes were strangling the german entrepreneur.

Now the public debt is admirably low, higher education is exemplary, and the welfare state is a big boon.

Tempora mutantur...

Johannes

The article only hints at two further points:
The fact that considerably fewer Germans do enjoy the relatively secure job positions described nowadays than until the early 2000s (not to speak of the '70ties).

And frugality and thrift. This may sound like a tired cliché, but especially for the older generation (growing up during the war or its aftermath) it holds true. For my mother (born immediately after the war) eating out is still to some extent a luxury, although she does it more often than 30 years ago when the kids were small. (Or buying a cake when she can far more cheaply (and in better quality) bake it herself.)
And, especially in rural regions, people save housing costs by having two or three generations living together in a large house with several flats or similar structures.
(In villages there are still older setups where a living house and several other buildings, formerly barns, stables or workshops are grouped around one yard.)
This is only possible, of course, if people don't have to move frequently for work and can commute. But this is still often possible, especially for lower middle class jobs.

sakasiru

"Germany [...] is the America of yesteryear"? Since the German standard of living seems to be more desirably, wouldn't it be better to think of Germany as the "America of tomorrow", a goal to reach, rather than a dear reminiscence of better times? I know that Americans have a tendency to find us adorably antiquated, but maybe it's time to drop that attitude and to start looking and learning from other countries.

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