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noribori

Here's Wolfgang Münchau's translation of a part of the S&P quote above from today:

"Wir glauben auch, dass die Vereinbarung (der europäischen Staats- und Regierungschefs vom 9. Dezember) die Ursache der Krise in Teilen verkennt. Sie basiert auf der Annahme, dass sich die aktuelle Finanzkrise in erster Linie durch unverantwortliche Fiskalpolitik der Peripherie ergibt. Aus unserer Sicht sind jedoch die finanziellen Probleme der Euro-Zone eine Folge steigender außenwirtschaftlicher Ungleichgewichte und Unterschiede in der Wettbewerbsfähigkeit zwischen dem Euro-Zonen-Kern und der sogenannten Peripherie."

Here's my translation:

"Wir glauben auch, dass die Übereinkunft auf Annahmen basiert, die die Ursache der Krise nur zum Teil erfassen: dass die aktuelle Finanzkrise in erster Linie durch unverantwortliche Fiskalpolitik der Peripherie der Eurozone verursacht wurde. Aus unserer Sicht hingegen sind die finanziellen Schwierigkeiten, mit denen sich die Eurozone jetzt befassen muss, ebenso sehr eine Konsequenz steigender Ungleichgewichte im Außenhandel und von Unterschieden in der Wettbewerbsfähigkeit zwischen den Kernländern der EU und der sogenannten 'Peripherie'".

Maybe I'm wrong and I see a difference which just isn't there. My English is by no means as profound as that of Mr. Münchau, who is a well known editor of the Financial Times. So, instead of claiming something, I'm just asking a question: is it possible that Mr. Münchau changed the meaning of the quote slightly in his translation because he wanted it to assert his position better than it actually does?

(And this is not about the financial crisis: I completely agree with Mr. Münchau that the imbalances are a huge and unaddressed problem. This is about something else. How shall I trust Mr. Münchau if he tries to manipulate me?)

In case my translation is wrong and I'm misguided here I apologize for questioning Mr. Münchaus's motifs.

noribori

So, S&P basically say that fiscal profligacy at the periphery of the eurozone is actually one source of the crisis and that a reform process based on fiscal austerity makes sense as long as it is not seen as panacea, but balanced with "a strong and consistent program to raise the growth potential of the economies in the eurozone"?

That's an interesting quote to prop up to undermine your conclusions.

Mak

I think many people confuse short-term outlook and long-term measures. Sure, cutting spending now means less money in circulation. BUT, if you have to borrow the money first before spending it, this means you have more debt in the future - and need more money to pay back the debt (only alternative: default). Therefore, if Merkel decides to cut spending now means hitting this generation instead of shifting the burden on future generations. You can't outgrow your debt - that much should be sure.
The only party winning by expanding the debt is the financial sector, i.e. those people turning debt into wealth (or making money from nothing). And they are dominating the financial press (and the GOP, but that is another story).
Keynesian economics have not withstood the test of reality and should be shelved.

Alex

I can't get lost of the impression, that you follow many anglosaxons, who adopted the "German Angst" in all euro-related themes, whereas many Germans already switched to "German Zuversicht". :-)

http://www.welt.de/print/welt_kompakt/print_wirtschaft/article13795198/German-Zuversicht.html

Michael

You are making the assumption that austerity and budget discipline is the same thing. But it is not: for example the average retirement age here in Austria is 58. Raising the retirement age to a more reasonable age is budget discipline, but not austerity.


And as far as Greece is concerned: Greece has (in % of GDP) the highest defense spending in the EU (2010, don't know of 2011). Is cutting defense spending in Greece really austerity (please take into account that Greece is not the US, they buy the defense stuff in other countries)? And is making sure that everybody in Greece pays the taxes austerity?


Of course it is true: if the deficit spending is money too, and that money will missed. And the money which is needed to pay back the loans will be missed too. But there is actually no way around that.

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