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M. Möhling

just a test, typepad seems to be in distress. Or it's me, again.

Ralph

"But I find that Germans are much less wont to simple-mindedly moralize about the US than they were prior to 2008."

My perception as well. After Bush's election, there was a sea change.

My take on this controversy: overblown. Don't know you personally, Andrew, but my impression was that you were being ironic, "channeling" (as you put it).

Not that I don't respect your sensitivities, Curtis.

renke

interesting discussion

I think one can experience different cultural/political point of views here.

Andrew (and others) blame inclomplete German anti-discrimination laws - I (from my German POV) see some of them (and the pressure to oblige more extreme forms of PC) as gag orders.

Compare this to laws in Germany about the Third Reich, it is e.g. punishable to deny the Holocaust; something seen by Americans as censorship and endangering the freedom of speech.

Andrew

@Curtis: You've made your point with eloquence, and our standpoints are clear. I do, in fact 'get it'. in the sense of understanding the arguments in favor of always and immediately objecting to ethnic caricatures, no matter what the context. I simply disagree with them.

Perhaps you consider me a hopelessly backward, unenlightened cretin, to which I say, join the club!

Curtis

You still don't get it, do you Andrew? This is not about censorship or political correctness. This is about freedom of speech and the personal responsibilities it entails.

If I were walking by a bakery, whether it be in San Francisco or Tokyo, and I saw them selling little swastika hotcakes, there's no way I would march in to purchase, consume the product and then publicly boast about it, no matter how "delectable". But then again, that's just me. I readily concede that we're different persons with different histories, but what use do all your past protesting and picketing serve, if at the end of the day you still patronize and support racist ideology?

I can imagine that to you as a white man, black painted faces might seem harmless and cute, but to us blacks it's a matter of life and death. We did not ask to be put into this situation - in fact we were forcibly drafted into it 500 years ago and have been struggling to survive with our dignity in tact ever since.

If you're so righteous and tolerant, then do the right thing and refuse to support all forms of racism, regardless of the context. I personally try to do the same, for at the end of the day I'm ultimately responsible for the decisions I make and I'm the one that has to be able to live with my conscience and sleep with it at night.

Well, I see that we've arrived at my stop. Time for me to get off this bus.

schorsch

ps: forget what I said about my post being filtered. I think I just forgot to put in the code thing...my bad

schorsch

I agree with almost everything you posted but saying that German society as a whole is several decades behind America...seriously?! backward quaintness is the best German society can do? Some of the things you might find quaint and backward are pretty advanced in my book. And yes, I also agree about the sneseless and uniformed America bashing - I usually keep pushing the bashers to actually support their arguments with credible sources, this usually shuts them up.
Anyway, I defended yout original post as satire but my post got filtered presumably because in it I wrote the N-word (I said it should not be used...)I find the wikipedia entry for "mohr" quite interesting by the way.

michael

I have become pretty convinced that the German society is more racist than the American and also many other European societies, at least in certain respects.

The way we treat the biggest group of immigrants is pretty appealing but at least there is some progress there. Racism against black people, however, seems to be very strong, even if it’s not so visible because there aren’t that many back people living in Germany.

I had this German teacher who tried to convince us that the word “Neger” is completely harmless. In class. Really. I’m pretty young, so this happened in the 21st century, not fifty years ago. A German teacher, someone who should be aware of the power of words and also should know that intent is not magical.

There is also this little ice cream shop in my hometown (called “Eismohrle”, I think) which advertises with the most stereotypical and disgusting depiction of a black person I can imagine (worse than what you saw in the bakery). Nobody seems to take offense. My hometown is close to a US military base so I’m fairly certain that dozens of Americans have seen that shop and I’m frankly ashamed because of that. (When the shop opens again in the summer I already promised myself that I will finally confront the owner, if only to make myself feel better.)

Those are only two examples of what I perceive to be a deeply racist society. And nobody seems to notice that or even acknowledge it and be very offended when someone points it out.

lukas

Andrew, what's your take on the failed Noah Sow reading in Fulda then? http://www.noahsow.de/blog/2011/10/27/festival-du-racisme-in-fulda/

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