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Wenzel

I think that the focus on titles is not only restricted to dissertations but can be generelazid to any other degree: My impression is that the higher the position is, the more likely it is that the person holding it will have a higher degree (especially in administration services, such as Ministries, Bundesanstalten ...). This means that ascend in career is dependend whether on the kind of diploma you have and not your real qualification. Following this idea, it is logic that a Dr. must be better qualified than a person with "just" a diploma. So the whole dr thing is just the "tip of the iceberg"

frank

(Sorry if it comes as a double posting, I think I didn't send it correctly)

About careerists in the german government:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesregierung_%28Deutschland%29

From 1949 till today 36,5% of all chancellors and ministers were lawyers. The current rightwinged givernment has 43,8%, the last leftwined had 18,8%.

Germany would be more funny if politicans actually think of their work as a duty to their people.

And here you can see how many doctors the german parties have, its a bit different than I thought, but still the rightwinged (black and yellow) have the most.

http://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/180860/umfrage/anteil-der-doktoren-und-professoren-im-bundestag-nach-parteien/

frank

I agree with Alex, Germany is actually in group three. The problem is, that we germans love to claim we are in the fourth group and that's why I also feel deep satisfaction about the current development. We germans should stop to lie to ourselves. If there is a flawed system, we should maybe modify it. But changing things in germany is... hard...?

It's not that noone cared about the "cheating". This might appear that way because an estimated 150% of the german people defended Guttenberg, the first really prominent name in this series of incidents. But he was special, because he was very popular. There is a saying in germany, that love makes someone blind. Well...

Its not a coincidence that most or all of the cheaters come from rightwinged FDP and CDU. But for two reasons, not just for one.

First thing to know is, that there are different kinds of promotions. The first would be the one we all know, someone creates a real nice scientific work and gets his title. That usually works well in Germany. But since academic titles replace your genital size, especially if you are a manager or politician, career people tend to want one. Obviously they want one by any means. And that usually doesn't attract any attention, because they usually take simple or uninteresting topics for their works. They are scientifically not interesting. No one ever reads them, so why caring about the standards? Those are the cheap doctors. They usually are former students of the law, economics, politcs. The worst thing is, that those people don't care at all. Even if they get caught, they defend themselves with phrases like "I was not elected because of my academical title!" They don't care, because it's just a title to them. There was no effort to get this title, they did not fullfill a dream by getting one. They just got it like the got an expensive car to impress other people, it's for show and to have a better career.

And since the rightwinged parties are usually more businessrelated, lawyers and managertypes are the usual politicans for those parties, they have more doctors than everyone else. And of all those doctors, they will have a higher rate of cheaters since they are professional politicans. It's a profession, not a duty. Well... career people :)

Then again, its a bit unfair to just look on those numbers right now, because a good part of the german internet community, and obviously a large part of those people who check out politicans, are leftwinged. And its a very human thing to pick your enemies ;)

Means: I do believe that the rightwinged parties have more cheaters, but once all the "bad guys" are found, the community will pick new targets. And then the other parties will have their losses.

I don't like to say this, but germany is pretty corrupt.

lukas

Alex, "Baron" is not a bourgeois title. It's an aristocratic title, which appeals to the fawning lower classes, but to be a part of the bourgeois elite, you need an academic degree.

Martin

I would like to add to Lukas and the other Alex that there is the concept "der Links-Intellektuelle" (left-winged intellectual) that doesn't have a right-wing counterpart. The right wing is supposed to be more oriented on values. But in case of titels it seems it is more on appearances than on values.

Also I think that the mindset of people spending time to hunt for plagiarism is also rather left winged, although this might change.

Martin

Alex (the other one)

I agree with Lukas. It's not a coincidence that plagiarism and crappy theses are so prevalent in CDU/CSU and FDP. The conservative parties are bourgeois enough to need a kind of title as social distinction. The only innovation is that a "Baron" was not enough ...

FJM

@15m: Of course, serious German academics (and yes, these people do exist) can easily distinguish the careerists from real doctoral candidates, i.e. those young people (not 40-year-old politicians) who actually intend to work in academia after completing their degree. But I think Andrew is right in saying that this is not enough. On the contrary, this is exactly what’s so depressing about the current situation. There simply shouldn’t be any career doctorates at all, full stop. Professionals in fields outside academia who really want to enhance their career chances can do an MBA or something of this sort. Plus, why do professors accept “external candidates” in the first place if they know that those usually produce nothing but rubbish? No, this system evidently needs an overhaul.

@Andrew: However, and to be fair, I think Germany was in category three, not two, even before the plagiarism scandal broke. If it had been in category two, Guttenberg would still be in office because, per definitionem, nobody would have cared. The cases of Guttenberg, Koch-Mehrin etc. demonstrate that people do care and that cheating has consequences, but that the folks in charge – even high-ranking professors and deans – are utterly deluded about the cause of the problem. They simply don’t want to acknowledge that it was a flawed system of recruiting and evaluating doctoral candidates that led to the disaster, not individual wrongdoing. I watched the Koch-Mehrin case particularly closely because, after all, it happened at my university, and I was baffled by the reactions of K-M’s supervisor (now an emeritus) and the current dean, who told the press (“Rhein-Neckar-Zeitung”, 18 June 2011) that
A) plagiarism-detection software was not yet around in 2000 when K-M’s thesis was handed in (which is wrong)
B) it shouldn’t be used anyway as there should be a state of trust between supervisor and candidate (why then, not between professors and candidates in written exams? Maybe candidates should be allowed to sit exams in their living rooms if only they promise not to look up the answers)
Summa summarum: I think Germany is in category three, but contrary to your hopes it won’t move anywhere near category four in our lifetime if German professors continue to be so naïve.

Sebastian

@Andrew:

the precious two letters, which are considered so important in Germany that they officially become part of your legal name (g).

That's not true, nor does Prof. Dr. Strack make that claim in his opinion piece for the Spiegel website, which you quoted. In fact, he correctly states and stresses the exact opposite. Here's what Strack actually writes:

Auch wenn das Kürzel "Dr." aus juristischer Sicht weder als Titel noch als Namenszusatz (wie das vormals adelige "zu" in "zu Guttenberg") gilt, haben die zwei Zeichen [...] enorme Vorteile. [...] wird die Anrede "Herr oder Frau Doktor" als Höflichkeitsgebot obligatorisch, die dann demjenigen allmählich das Gefühl gibt, der Doktor sei doch Teil des eigenen Namens.

And that on an occasion where standards of citation are at issue ...

t5m

Just for clarification: The doctorate is an acadamic degree but not a title. It is not part of the name -- albeit the myth is widespread. Yes, you can put it on your identity card (and business card and whatnot) but that's it.

I also believe that most academics in Germany can pretty easily distinguish career doctorates from real doctorates. The dissertations by Guttenberg et al are not taken seriously because they are bad and irrelevant to begin with.

lukas

In conservative bourgeois circles, the coupling between social distinction and educational credentials is especially tight. In the (wannabe-)working-class SPD or the (wannabe-)alternativ-egalitarian Greens, those precious two letters won't get you as far as in the centre-right parties.

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