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Anonymous

Under YouTube: Beckmann Gast Thilo Sarrazin Teil 4 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8-W9s6Ak8&NR=1

Anonymous

True, my friend, we've heard this sort of talk before.

By the way, take a look at the Beckmann talk show episode that featured Sarrazin and several others, including the very likeable and capable Ranga Yogeshwar, which is on YouTube. It's worth it just to hear Yogeshwar criticize Sarrazin's book as "feuchter grüner Filz und nasse Dackelhaare" (a phrase I dare you to translate into idiomatic English).

Andrew

@anonymous: A comment on Sarrazin? How's this: The general rule is that everything happens in Germany 10 years after the
U.S. Six years behind schedule, Germany now has its own Bell Curve.

That's about all I have to say on Sarrazin, since my informal rule for this blog is if all Germany's talking about it, German Joys isn't. If you're really really interested in my views, though, I supposed I could post them at some point.

Anonymous

This is off topic, sorry, but....

Would like you, Andrew, to please comment on Sarrazin. Wondering why you haven't.

M. Möhling

> it can only vanish in those papers and
> magazines, where it once was present:
> ZEIT, FAZ and Süddeutsche, mainly
Akkordmusik, suspect or not, I wholeheartedly concur, though we might not agree on what class should be. Case in point would be the SZ, that has one prof Henningsen rant against Western Meinungsfreiheits-Fundamentalismus (original article). That should strike a sympathetic chord with our lord who feels that those who engage in such antics are, I quote, "assholes".

Alex (the other one)

Have to agree with Thomas and Jerry here.

Jerry

Basic rule nr.1 - Raise your image above the plebs, no matter, if that's still you?
If you're raised that way, you might feel like it, sure, but if you reached the higher class some other way, you're nothing but living a lie, while squeezing into uncomfortable suits and visiting higher arts only for being seen.

"Lots of people are on museum or opera boards who have no clue, but they at least know a sane society respects artistic sophistication and they try to manifest it"

Really? Is that something to pursue? Just to come through hours of Wagner and Co, cause "all the cool kids/nobles do so"?
If some guy with money likes Hendrix and Springsteen, what's wrong with displaying it, instead of doing the same to projects, he may not like?

This is not the 18th century anymore. We don't have to yearn for the sympathy of an absolutistic monarch by pretending oversophistication, we don't posess.
I'm fine with anyone, who likes dodecacophony, as well as with those, who like Britney Spears. But not with someone, who pretends to like something, just to be liked.

Besides, as one comment before me mentioned, if cultural, educational, environmental or whatever projects shall be securely funded, the only reasonable way would be states benefits financed by taxes, instead of hoping on a rich guy with a favor for it.

All in all, the text, quoted in this article, badly hurts my sense for honesty.

Sorry for this rant from a low-class-guy, who will certainly never experience the "pleasure" of wearing disguises and costumes, just not to show, who one is.

Akkordmusik

@Andrew:
Predictable barking from usual suspects encouraged me to add my voice, congratulating you to this thoughtful post.

It's that very valuable idea of class that you described in the last sentence of your post, that's also vanishing fast in the realms of the print media. And, of course, it can only vanish in those papers and magazines, where it once was present: ZEIT, FAZ and Süddeutsche, mainly.

M. Möhling

It figures why our host is delighted by Don Alphonso's musings: essentially, being one, um, classy social democrat,[1] and as such a pillar of society, means batting for the people who aren’t as rich or smart or lucky as we because that's how we show how rich and smart and lucky we are. And we don't do that with yachts and jets as does Larry E., the prole. So, being full of, um, good things, let's regale ourselves with a gentlemen's club for working sophisticated stiffs; as the USPD is taken--and defunct--, what about the PSPD, BS section? (what? no, that's BS, not what you thought) Sophistication is ...die Zärtlichkeit der Völker! Let's hug ourselves while we kiss the sky.

Earnestly now, no snark, is it the ongoing feminisation of society that makes stout law profs aspire to be Mrs Vanderbilts of sorts? Philanthropic ladies in waiting, as it were, as riches to bestow upon the needful artsy peers still need to be acquired? (btw: how would that look, I wonder?) Here's another blog I recommend.


  1. we do care about old aunty, don't we?
joanna

John Lennon was a (working) classy guy. And not from Yorkshire either!!!

Thomas

I'd say the real problem is that, apparently, we're relying on the whims of a few rich people to support the arts/build railroads/have decent legislation. Whether our wealthy overlords have "class", is a tertiary concern...

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