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Sebastian Koppehel

Prefixes such as "Dipl.-..." or "Professor" are called "Akademische Grade" in German and are not properly considered titles. Admittedly that's nitpicky and legalistic, but still correct. However, things like "Architekt" or "Prokurist" are not titles at all. They don't belong in front of a name, except in a purely descriptive sense. One might as well include "Tierpfleger" or so.

Even accepting their standards for what a counts as a title, the list is completely arbitrary, contains lots of duplicates, is inconsistent about how it treats female versions, and a number of entries are wrongly in all-caps. Another highlight in the form is the country "TR". The whole thing is a disgrace for the profession.

Johannes

As far as I know "Dres." does not mean that one has earned multiple PhD degrees. That would be "Dr. Dr. XY", or say "Dr. phil. Dr. jur." or "Dr. rer. nat. Dr. med.", or when one has received several honorary degrees "Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Dr. h.c. mult."

It rather means that both spouses have a doctorate like "Dres. med. dent. Peter und Gisela Zahnstein"

The Walbusch case is not representative, usually only Prof. and Dr. are included in the address. It's different in Austria though, where they really are obsessed.

(BTW I am shocked to learn that Andrew cannot afford to get his shirts ironed...)

Norbert

Not that I fancy cultural tit-for-tatting for its own sake, but it's useful to remember things like the Walbusch 'Title' dialog box next time you hear some haute-bourgeois German sniffing that Americans' desperate need to display their wealth must point to a terrible sense of insecurity.

Fair enough, but you should be ready concede that

(1) the Walbusch Title dialog box is an absolute exception, not the rule
(2) there is no evidence about how many Prokuristen actually tick the box to cure their insecurity - perhaps Walbusch has statistics?

That said, I don't mind at all that you still rub the Walbusch title list in the haute-bourgeois faces, they deserve it.

Tamar

Not only in Germany. Mothercare.co.uk has "Lord", "Lady", "Dame" and "Reverend"; but the Detoit Opera House is the best, after "Sister", Colonel, and a long list of BTW mostly religious and military titles, we have "King" (no queen), because, as we all know, so many kings visit Detroit.

Tobias

It used to be like that at Manufactum, but they’ve shamelessly cut it down to a mere four—that is, the permutations of “Prof.” and “Dr.” plus the rare “Dres.” (multiple Ph.D.s): see here.

Manufactum by the way, they’d probably provide countless subjects for German Joys.

Ney

Kind of customer survey. Clever.

Andrew

Fantastic link, Michael. Thanks!

I think Wirklicher Hofrat sounds like too much work. Make me a Virtueller Hofrat!

Michael

I think there are still some titles missing. Do you really expect someone to choose Hofrat, if he is in fact Wirklicher Hofrat?

Onkel Mo

Teh people at Walbusch seem to understand their clientele even deeper.
The List only contains old and respected titles, not all that newfangled gibberish the young folks spend all their time with nowadays. "Computer Science", as if those calcualtors were a science, ha!
And none of those inferior "Bachelor" and "Master" degrees either.

Lars

MIN.RAT = Ministerialrat

Alexandra

LMAO! I especially love the distinction between Dr. and Dr. med. --- hey! My own title is missing! I should e-mail them a complaint!

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